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Josh Holland, John Stoehr and Batya Ungar-Sargon at the Institute Library Tuesday night.
Two left-of-center pundits who disagree with each other debated for an hour and a half — without tearing each other apart.
That happened Tuesday night at the Institute Library on Chapel Street.
Can it happen in the U.S. at large?
That question emerged as Batya Ungar-Sargon, opinion editor for The Jewish Daily Forward, and Josh Holland, contributing writer for The Nation, engaged in a wide-ranging conversation about the past, present and future of American left politics during a period of resurgence. The conversation was moderated by New Haven-based journalist John Stoehr, who runs the Editorial Board, a daily e‑newsletter with political commentary and analysis.
“I wanted [Holland and Ungar-Sargon] to be here because I’ve learned something from them,” Stoehr explained. “I feel like a student of theirs.”
The two writers come from different ideological backgrounds: Ungar-Sargon veers toward the liberal left, Holland to the socialist left.. The two engaged in a passionate but civil exchange, touching on such controversial topics as internet “outrage culture,” U.S. Rep. Ilhan Omar and American nationalism. Their conflicting world views paralleled the topic of the night: The split between socialism and liberalism under the “big tent” of the Democratic Party.
Batya Ungar-Sargon.
Ungar-Sargon has recently taken flak on the left for a series of articles criticizing Rep. Omar for anti-Semitism, including one entitled, “The Left Is Making Jews Choose: Our Progressive Values Or Ourselves. During her conversation Tuesday night with Holland and Stoehr, she described a recent appearance on the Brian Lehrer Show, where she argued that Omar should have offered constructive methods to end the occupation of Palestine without falling back on anti-Semitic tropes.
“When the interview came out, there were hundreds of comments claiming that I wasn’t a real leftist,” she said. “The irony is that I was arguing for the end of the Israeli occupation. Imagine if I went on a conservative radio show and argued that point. What do you think they would have made of my political orientation?”
Ungar-Sargon went on to criticize the “cruelty on the left” and warned that leftists had begun to mirror the bullying rhetoric of President Trump. She linked the tendency of leftists to “police through shame” to social media and the millennial drive to distinguish oneself by putting others down.
John Stoehr.
“Millennials and the way that millennials present themselves on social media are very brand-driven, and having a brand is all about individuality,” she said. “This means that whenever somebody manifests any sort of difference, you feel compelled to individuate yourself by throwing them under the bus.”
Holland focused on incentives for media to fabricate divides between political figures who largely agree with each other, citing U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and U.S. Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. To Holland, the Democratic coalition is fairly unified among ideological lines. However, the most popular news articles tend to exaggerate points of political difference.
“I used to work at Alternet, which got money from web traffic, and I quickly learned that I got the most feedback and the most clicks from articles that riled people up,” he said. “All I had to do was mention Nancy Pelosi and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez in the same headline, and my job was done.”
Josh Holland.
Holland pushed back on several of Ungar-Sargon’s assertions, particularly her worry that socialists such as Ocasio-Cortez and Sanders alienate people by “pushing the envelope further to the left.”
“I feel like those are largely ancillary concerns,” he told Ungar-Sargon. “I think the more relevant question is: ‘Why are we even talking about socialism’? The socialists and liberals in this country all support similar policies.”
He did, however, agree with Ungar-Sargon that the wide majority of Democrats have center-left opinions.
“Most Democrats are normies,” he joked.
Ungar-Sargon ended the evening on an optimistic note, saying that the fragmented and self-critical nature of the left is actually one of its strengths.
“It’s harder on the Democratic side since we’re diverse,” she said. “Unlike the Republicans, we’re not a monolithic force, and that’s a great thing. We have to fight this stuff out, but that’s our privilege.”